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posted by [personal profile] damerell at 05:35pm on 31/07/2003
Now would be a good time for the potted guide to punting, since as far as I can see an ever decreasing number of people are any good at it.

Never use the paddle for propulsion or steering.

Shoes off. Bare feet grip the platform. Plus, it's easier to swim if (god forbid) you fall in the river.

Stand well back on the platform; that way the side of the boat interferes with less of the stroke.

Get the pole well out of the river before turning it upright for the next stroke - if the tip gets in the river, you can't do anything with it.

Drop the pole through your hands. This is the single most important thing. If you shove the pole down hand over hand, by the time it reaches the bottom the tip of the pole is well behind the boat, and you can't do anything but pull it up again. Once you've got it upright, just open your hands (not all the way :-) and let it fall. If you're in a hurry, you can actually throw the pole down towards the bottom of the river.

The other part of that is to anticipate what the movement of the boat does to the position of the tip of the pole as it approaches the bottom of the river. If the boat's not moving, you want to angle the pole towards the rear; at some speed you can drop it straight down, and when going really fast you aim it forwards because the tip will still be behind you when it makes contact. These factors are exacerbated by not dropping the pole; hence the classic tourist "circle" maneuver. If the back of the boat's going to the left and you just put the pole straight down, the tip ends up to the right of you. Now when you push you just make the back of the boat go leftwards faster.

You do less work if you lean backwards on the pole, rather than leaning forwards and then shoving backwards.

Steering tip one; you can use the pole as a rudder after the stroke's finished.

Steering tip two; you don't need to do _that_ if you separate your hands on the pole; then you can exert torque on it while it's still lodged in the bottom by moving the top and bottom hands in opposite left/right directions.

Steering tip three; you don't need even to do _that_ if you can choose your tip impact points well enough to give the right amount of sideways thrust.

Punting one-handed; steering methods one and two don't work, so you need to be good at number three. You've _got_ to drop the pole through your hand but you should be doing that anyway. You need to be able to throw the pole forwards through your hand after the stroke, then twist it upright with your wrist. If the bottom's shallow, you need to be able to take half the stroke and yank your hand up the pole in a tearing hurry to take the rest without dropping it.

If the pole gets stuck, twist it vigorously and bend your knees, dropping you down under the pole; aim to brace yourself between the pole and the platform so that you are pushing it upwards not pulling it forwards; if you pull it forwards you risk going in backwards. Keep twisting; twisting and pulling at the same time is very effective. Remember that it is better to let go of the pole than go in with it - either way, the punt will have to retrieve it.

If you do have to swim with a pole, grasp it in the middle and press it down into the river. Now it wants to buoy you up, out of the water.

Do not hold the pole upright too close to bridges; some joker may be "fishing" for punts. In general you do not have time for one last stroke before a low bridge - the pole's other end sweeps forward as you take the stroke.
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posted by [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com at 09:43am on 31/07/2003
Plus, it's easier to swim if (god forbid) you fall in the river.
As opposed to repeatedly throwing yourself into the river?
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 09:47am on 31/07/2003
That's different. I've never fallen into the river. I've been thrown in, I've jumped in, I've thrown someone else in while they were hanging onto me...
 
posted by [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com at 09:52am on 31/07/2003
I suspect it's still easier to swim without the shoes regardless of how you end up in the river.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 09:57am on 31/07/2003
Yes - especially when you wear ten-eyelet steelies.
 
posted by [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com at 10:26am on 31/07/2003
Well, in most of the Cam, having smallish weights attatched to your feet would mean you had a much easier time in just walking, cos legs floating is always a problem otherwise.
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posted by [personal profile] wednesday at 09:53am on 31/07/2003
Right. You keep insisting that punting is pleasant. The above sounds like a terrifying, horrible experience.
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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 10:48am on 31/07/2003
That last sounds somewhat familiar :-)
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posted by [personal profile] diffrentcolours at 09:50am on 31/07/2003
Hmm. I need to punt more. I used to punt twice a week as a teenager, but given my rather dismal bank-seeking performance the other week I suspect I really need to get back into pratice...
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 09:57am on 31/07/2003
I only go once or twice a year, but thus far it seems to have stuck with me. Once you know the principles you can always work it out again.
 
posted by [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com at 09:55am on 31/07/2003
That is, the lj-cut was just for me, not the advice. I can punt, mostly.
 
posted by [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com at 10:01am on 31/07/2003

Around WPI, punting has a different meaning, and is much easier.

Step 1: Decide you don't want to go to a class any more.

Step 2: Stop going to class.

Step 3: Avoid eye contact with professor for rest of term.
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posted by [personal profile] aldabra at 03:46pm on 31/07/2003
You forgot:

If you fall in, close your mouth before you hit the water. (Not that I believe in all those Cam-borne diseases, but everyone else seems to.)
 
posted by [identity profile] del2.livejournal.com at 12:54am on 01/08/2003
Stand facing the bank.

You forgot to mention that, in Cambridge at least, you should keep as close to the middle of the river[1] as possible. There's the remains of a towpath there: firmer and shallower than the surrounding yuck.
[1] As distinct from the Middle River though I think the towpath is non-existent on the Upper River/Granta.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 01:46am on 01/08/2003
I'm confused - surely if you punt in the middle of the river, the banks are equidistant?

I almost always punt over the right-hand side in any case - like mounting a bike, I can do it from the other side, but it feels very awkward.
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 02:58am on 01/08/2003
I've never been quite convinced of the merits of standing facing sideways in a punt at all. I always face directly forwards with my feet wide apart, for the specific practical reason that this enables me to keep my balance much more easily when the passengers rock the boat unexpectedly. I've never found this stance to present a difficulty to the actual process of punting.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 03:03am on 01/08/2003
Yes, now I think about it I stand facing forwards too. Sideways stance makes a two-handed stroke with the top of the pole well to the side of the boat easier (to land the tip under the boat and correct a sideways drift), but if you can punt one-handed at all you can equally take that particular stroke with only one hand.
 
posted by [identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com at 03:43pm on 19/05/2004
Hmmm. I stand in an intermediate way, with my feet sort of diagonal with respect to each other.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 03:45pm on 19/05/2004
I think I shuffle around more than anything else - it depends on whether you're doing fine maneuvering or just cruising along or what...
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posted by [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com at 12:51pm on 01/08/2003
When people start rocking the boat (or when anything else goes wrong) my instinct is to kneel down. This seems to work well. (Actually, if people start rocking the boat, sometimes my instinct is to retaliate in kind.)
 
posted by [identity profile] keirf.livejournal.com at 04:51am on 29/08/2003
You can steer at the end of a one-handed stroke if you hold on to the very end of the pole with your hand and jam it in place just above your elbow, or if you lever it against your upper thigh. Or even exert torque from your wrist (strong wrist required though).

Word of the day - quant: a punting pole
 
posted by [identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com at 03:48pm on 19/05/2004
Steering tip three is a great way to punt, I think. It's easy to figure out if you're conscious of how your line of force you're exerting with the pole extends with respect to the punt's centre of mass. It also gives you a faster cycle time because you're not wasting any extra time in steering, you do it all when propelling. You can push the pole to the side a bit as you thrust if you've miscalculated.

For a really quick emergency turn, drop the pole fairly horizontal and mostly submerged onto one side of the punt and sweep it submerged all around the back to the other side.

Another useful pole-stuck note: often I've rescued it by hooking a foot under where the platform ends and the seat begins, thereby suddenly stopping the punt and letting me work on the problem. The moral being, presumably, don't drink red wine while I'm punting.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:53pm on 19/05/2004
I certainly think the third method is the best, yes, once one has mastered it - but that takes time.
 
posted by [identity profile] alcina2.livejournal.com at 03:53pm on 19/05/2004
Punt when (slightly) drunk.

It doesn't necessarily make you better at it, but it makes you a hell of a lot more confident about standing on that scary little platform.

No, I can't punt when I'm sober, in case you were wondering.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:54pm on 19/05/2004
Ah, well, the one-handed method is designed to correct the oversight of setting off sober by accident.

I was taught to punt when quite small so in my mind's eye the platform is much bigger than it is.
 
posted by [identity profile] dangerouslysane.livejournal.com at 08:18pm on 19/05/2004
I found this really informative & interesting, even though the U.S. doesn't have punting in the organized sense of it. Pity.

But, having read this post and the comments from people who have had experience at it, it sounds like it could be LOTS of fun!

Probably beats alot of the professional sports!

Have a great season!

 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:08am on 20/05/2004
Recreational punting is only really commonplace in Oxford and Cambridge, to the best of my knowledge - what may not be obvious is that it's done in a long flat-bottomed boat which is very tolerant of people doing silly things.
 
posted by [identity profile] dangerouslysane.livejournal.com at 08:40pm on 20/05/2004
Perhaps that adds to the elan...I confess that that sort of works for me...then again, when I had an appendectomy 24 years ago, I used to joke that the scar was from my initiation into the fraternity @ Heidelberg.

Not everyone got that, which tickled me!

But, as far as punting goes, you guys make it sound like fun!

My older brother has interests that are not commonplace--he co-authored a book on old sea-chanteys (this was many years ago), has spent much of his adult life fascinated by the history and lore of things maritime, and could provide arcane information on just about anything else.

He also fences, and his son has learned to fence, as well.

I'm not a carbon-copy, but I admire the knowledgeable...when people really know and enjoy their particular areas of expertise, other people get a kick out of it, and sometimes even learn something themselves.

*Sometimes I'm best as audience--just taking it in*
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posted by [personal profile] diffrentcolours at 03:21am on 20/05/2004
So what do you use the paddle for?
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:18am on 20/05/2004
Duck-flipping is acceptable.
 
posted by [identity profile] madgav.livejournal.com at 07:13am on 20/05/2004
This is all quanting for wimps.

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