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posted by [personal profile] damerell at 04:21pm on 26/04/2006
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posted by [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com at 03:33pm on 26/04/2006
I like them, unless they're sucky. Then I don't.

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posted by [personal profile] simont at 03:35pm on 26/04/2006
Whereas I don't like them, unless they're good. Then I do.
 
posted by [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com at 03:37pm on 26/04/2006
Huh, that's an interesting philosophy, although it seems a bit negative. You should try liking them first-- you may be surprised!
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 03:38pm on 26/04/2006
Maybe you two should *swap* glasses or something :)
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 03:38pm on 26/04/2006
What if I was also annoyed by my mother's death?

<Neil Gaiman>My father was Lear, you insensitive sod!</Neil Gaiman> :)
 
posted by [identity profile] clanwilliam.livejournal.com at 03:39pm on 26/04/2006
I quite like 'em in the tube corridors, but absolutely loathe them on the trains.
 
posted by [identity profile] lusercop.livejournal.com at 03:48pm on 26/04/2006
I normally respond by pulling out a pack of cards or a contact ball, and trying to distract everyone's attention to that instead. Sometimes those things are out already.

For those of you who have never performed in anything - I recommend you try before you criticise. Even something like a renegade stage at a juggling convention is intensely nervewracking. I have the utmost respect for anyone who can get up on stage and do stuff.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 03:51pm on 26/04/2006
I might simultaneously agree that buskers need considerable chutzpah and feel that they're a blasted nuisance.
 
posted by [identity profile] lusercop.livejournal.com at 03:53pm on 26/04/2006
This is true. I do feel that performing in front of others is something we should all do at some point now, though. It's a very strange experience.
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posted by [personal profile] aldabra at 03:58pm on 26/04/2006
It's not that I think they're not good, and it's certainly not that I think I could do better.

It's that I'm trying to get from A to B and I don't want noise in my head. I'd gladly give up every good busking I've ever heard if it meant I didn't get the ones I don't want when I have a headache. Even more so if they'd take the Big Issue sellers too.

I was thinking about this at lunchtime (with reference to telesellers who try to bully you into phone contracts you don't want). People who importune you hoping for your money ought to have to pay you for the headspace it takes to decide whether to give it to them or not. I bet that's a calculation which would usually come out negative.
 
posted by [identity profile] clanwilliam.livejournal.com at 03:59pm on 26/04/2006
I normally respond by looking firmly into my book and if that doesn't work on the begging round, just saying no.

But it's the difference between a performance and begging - the ones in the corridors are performing, the ones in the trains are attempting to hold the carriage's collective good natures hostage.

I've performed in public - never really had much stagefright if I was performing. Lot more nervous about getting up as myself without anything to hide "me" behind.
 
posted by [identity profile] stephdairy.livejournal.com at 03:50pm on 26/04/2006
Busking is illegal on trains.

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posted by [identity profile] clanwilliam.livejournal.com at 03:59pm on 26/04/2006
Sadly doesn't stop 'em.
 
posted by [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com at 03:39pm on 26/04/2006
To clarify: I like the proper authorised buskers, not the ones who leap onto the Tube carriage and subject you to accordian music when you've a hangover.
 
posted by [identity profile] lusercop.livejournal.com at 03:48pm on 26/04/2006
New Labour: licensing our right to life
 
posted by [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com at 08:51am on 27/04/2006
Well, no. I don't think that has anything to do with it at all.

I like street music. I like live performances by talented people.

I don't like people who are aggressive or who behave in a dangerous fashion (e.g. leaping onto trains as the doors are closing, or moving between carriages when the train's moving). Unfortunately a lot of the buskers who work train carriages are like that.
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posted by [personal profile] shermarama at 04:10pm on 26/04/2006
I'm neutral to them, with an angle towards positivity. I will sometimes hear terrible ones but then you're in transit, you'll be past them in a minute, and sometimes they're marvellous and put a spring in my step.
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 04:13pm on 26/04/2006
I've never encountered buskers on trains in London; they're much more prevalent in Paris.

In corridors, I like good ones and despise bad ones; on trains I like exceptional ones and despise any that weren't at least very good.


At least we don't yet get in London the kind of panhandling I found most wearisome in Paris: a guy works his way through a carriage handing out photocopied fill-in-the-gaps sob stories ("I am a refugee from          and I have      children to feed", etc.). This meant people had to actively refuse to give them money when he came back to retrieve his slip of paper.

After a while, I got wise to this and started refusing to accept bits of paper proffered at me on the Metro by Africans. This worked well until I met a pushy Algerian who dropped the paper in my lap anyway; I tore it up and gave it straight back together with a piece of my mind.

Everyone else in the carriage stared at me as though I was British or something.
 
posted by [identity profile] clanwilliam.livejournal.com at 04:16pm on 26/04/2006
Oh, we've had the panhandlers - complete with kids. They don't bother with notes, they just stand in front of you with a tired kid and shove a hand in your face. Again, I either ignore them or say no.

And then I report 'em to the station staff. While it's too late to catch them at that station, it can help in figuring out which stretch of the line a gang is targeting.
 
posted by [identity profile] actionreplay.livejournal.com at 08:28pm on 26/04/2006
I have also been subjected to the Paris-shove-hand-in-face method. I just calmly make eye contact and say "no" or should that be "non". This does in fact work.

When abroad in some countries I have noticed that people find the UK method of not wanting to say "no" and doing so by looking away puzzling. They genuinely assume that if you have't said "no" you must be interested making up your mind. Whereas in many places it's normal to ask if you want something, and everyone who isn't inclined will say no without feeling embarassed/guilty/whatever. A smile and "no thanks" seemed to be very effective... (although on the tube I'd give the smile a miss...).
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posted by [personal profile] wednesday at 04:33pm on 26/04/2006
Dude, this is like asking "are artists good?" or "What do you think of those 'cinemas' we're not allowed to view on the cyber-syntho-flavo-door?"
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posted by [personal profile] rmc28 at 04:41pm on 26/04/2006
My impression is that the quality of the buskers has gone up since they brought in the approved scheme. I generally enjoy the music.
 
posted by [identity profile] stephdairy.livejournal.com at 10:51pm on 26/04/2006
I would imagine the auditions would have improved the quality, yes. (And the more formalised structure has encouraged some to busk who have never done so before.)

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posted by [identity profile] actionreplay.livejournal.com at 08:23pm on 26/04/2006
I am neutral in that I like GOOD buskers, in the corridors. Good buskers get money from me. Crap buskers get nothing. There are lots of musically talented folks, however if you are tone deaf, then perhaps, busking is not your calling.

I dislike buskers in the trains themselves but will make an exception for a really good one.

I use my consumer power: crappy or otherwise irritating buskers don't get my money.
 
posted by [identity profile] doseybat.livejournal.com at 09:23pm on 26/04/2006
i am a Londoner and buskers annoy me about 60% of the time. Usually ther louder 60% - does it *have* to be eardrum shattering?
 
posted by [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com at 08:55am on 27/04/2006
Also, that guy with the steel drum who's sometimes at Liverpool Street. Two points:

1. A massed band of steel drums is impressive. One on its own is just rather sad.

2. Learn something other than Fur Elise. Fur fuck's sake. .
 
posted by [identity profile] doseybat.livejournal.com at 05:46pm on 27/04/2006
At least thats only one instrument! the worst are when they have this deafening recorded backdrop and strum along to it *headache*
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posted by [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com at 09:35am on 27/04/2006


Generally, I don't like them, General exceptions are good ones and a specific exception is pink-haired horn-playing Canadian ones.

Unlicensed buskers and train hoppers are without exception loathsome.

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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 10:34am on 27/04/2006
Sometimes annoying and sometimes good, on balance the current licenced buskers only system works OK for me.
 
posted by [identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com at 01:51pm on 27/04/2006
You forgot, "I am a Londoner and I busk."

I've busked on the London Underground since the licensing scheme started in 2003. Before that I did some busking in Bath (and still do occasionally).

As a music student, it's one of the few jobs I can do that contributes toward my musical education and my income at the same time. It also has reasonably flexible hours, which is important.

I get annoyed at buskers who busk illegally (anywhere other than approved pitches), and also at buskers who turn their amps up far too loudly, and also at buskers who play the same damn song over and over again (you think it's bad for you? You should hear the station staff complaining), and also at buskers who play very poorly, partly because it's just unpleasant, and partly because they give me a bad reputation. I'm a little more likely to be lenient in my attitudes toward buskers who merely sound a bit bored or tired - I know how I feel on a day when the only song anyone responds to is "Danny Boy" and I already had a rehearsal and it's nearly the end of a two-hour pitch... two hours without a break is a long time even for a professional musician. However, I generally only give money to buskers if I really enjoy something about what they are doing.

Things that piss me off:
-people who take my photograph without asking and without giving me any money
-people who talk to me while I'm playing. If I stop to reply I ruin the piece, if I keep playing some of them get quite abusive. Usually I keep playing, because if they really want to talk to me they'll wait.
-people who probably couldn't recognise hard work if it came up and bit them telling me to, "Get a real job."
-people who steal money from my hat. No, I'm not joking, this happens. It happens less if I take the larger-denomination coins out on a regular basis and hide them out of sight.
-Bank station being impossibly dusty; I won't play there any more
-Only being allowed to play certain pitches because the Horn is a brass instrument, therefore it is 'loud' - but believe me, if I'm playing for two hours I'm not going to be belting it the whole time, and most of the 'loud' pitches are near escalators and platforms and it's impossible to hear myself think, let alone for anyone else to hear me clearly. Quieter pitches like Charing Cross are reserved for 'quiet' woodwinds.
-getting up early to get to the 8am commuter pitches that are most profitable for me
-wealthy-looking people sorting carefully through their abundant pocket change, in full sight, and giving me 2p. If they had any sensitivity they'd do the sorting where I can't see it.

Things I like:
-When people smile, laugh, or otherwise respond positively to my playing
-I get to play music, and people give me money for it.

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