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posted by [personal profile] damerell at 02:41am on 10/10/2007
Some time ago we had a discussion about a sad omission from the Hugo "short story" "novella" "novellette" "novel" "sub-novelette" "semi-novella" etc length categories; "brick".

Most Hugo categories have a set of criteria and "brick" should be no exception, so you are invited to suggest same. To get you started;

So long, cover style changed between front and back cover.
Man with copy in breast pocket saved from being shot. By tank.
Neil Stephenson / China Mieville think author "wordy bastard".
Book requires exoskeleton in place of spine.
Book contains more than seventeen occurences of word "clench".
"Comparable to Tolkien at his most thinly spread by Christopher."
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posted by [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com at 07:54am on 10/10/2007
There probably needs to be a similar category for series with more than six titles.
 
posted by [identity profile] grumpyolddog.livejournal.com at 08:47am on 10/10/2007

It's too late to nominate the The Algebraist, right?

 
posted by [identity profile] khrister.livejournal.com at 09:27am on 10/10/2007
At a mere 534 pages?

Not that I'm sure exactly where to draw the line, but I'd say maybe 800?
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 11:17am on 10/10/2007
The baroque cycle is >800 pages each. Not that that doesn't leave a place for books with fewer words but even more dense ones: some books do have brickness not perfectly encapsulated by their length :)
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 11:48am on 10/10/2007
Well, that is the question. "Margins sufficient to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. By enumeration of all possible cases."
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 11:47am on 10/10/2007
Come, come, now, The Algebraist is barely a roofing tile or two.
 
posted by [identity profile] bellinghwoman.livejournal.com at 09:19am on 10/10/2007
Book contains more than seventeen occurences of word "clench".

Or contains frequent references to habits eg braid-tugging (cf one of the main female characters in the Wheel of Time series) or frequent references to the same physical attribute of an alien race (cf Mary Gentle's Ancient Light - I seem to recall her pointing out the same thing about the hands of the aliens on what felt like every other page).
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posted by [personal profile] vatine at 09:44am on 10/10/2007
A book so wordy that even the publisher goes "Sorry, you'll have to split that into three volumes".
 
posted by [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com at 10:36am on 10/10/2007
The publisher's likely to be suggesting the trilogisation themselves. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 11:49am on 10/10/2007
This does not work because these days if you wrote a hack fantasy drabble the publishers would want to bring it out as three 33 1/3 word paragraphs.
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posted by [personal profile] vatine at 02:26pm on 10/10/2007
I was thinking specifically of Peter Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy, initially propsed as a single million-word book. That didn't QUITE fly...
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 02:58pm on 10/10/2007
Yes. I personally would pay for a hardback single-volume edition on the grounds that it will hurt more when I ram it up the author's nose in part payment for slugging through 48000 pages of torture porn only to find the ending is a complete washout.
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posted by [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com at 10:33am on 10/10/2007
Where does that leave steaming piles of bricks? I refer to Neal Stevenson's Baroque backbusters...
 
posted by [identity profile] grumpyolddog.livejournal.com at 11:15am on 10/10/2007
Hey, those were absolute genius!
 
posted by [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com at 11:35am on 10/10/2007
I'm not sure about genius, but certainly they're entertaining enough that they don't *feel* too long.
 
posted by [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com at 10:38am on 10/10/2007
I assume you're planning on nominating Peter F Hamilton... :)
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 11:26am on 10/10/2007
I believe he's the acknowledged master of the "half-brick" category, in some cases outweighing "bricks" themselves :)
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 11:50am on 10/10/2007
For a kick in the balls by a nun screaming WRITE A BLOODY ENDING, maybe.
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 11:26am on 10/10/2007
Neil Stephenson / China Mieville think author "wordy bastard".

The only specific data point I happen to be aware of is "Sir Winston Spencer Churchill's six-volume biography of Marlborough", considered wordy by Stephenson. A brief examination on amazon, however, suggests that the two-volume omnibus edition is only just over two thousand pages, so may actually have been exceeded by the baroque cycle, officially qualifying same for the award.
 
posted by [identity profile] steveandabigail.livejournal.com at 12:04pm on 10/10/2007
Books read by people with a curiously thin forefinger, caused by trying to hold their current page whilst changing train/tube/bus.
 
posted by [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com at 05:16pm on 11/10/2007
Book must be supported by a complicated series of pulleys lest it crush the reader's knees.

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