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posted by [personal profile] damerell at 01:17pm on 17/10/2006
I just finished Dawkins's "The God Delusion" and am now very angry about everything.

Everyone should read it, even - especially - those currently deluded.

On the plus point I know what to get my mother for her birthday.
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posted by [identity profile] edith-the-hutt.livejournal.com at 12:31pm on 17/10/2006
angry about everything?

Even beer? You can't be angry at beer.
 
posted by [identity profile] angua.livejournal.com at 12:33pm on 17/10/2006
I can.

I am angry about the beer that leaked in to my carpet. It was both a waste of beer and a horrible mess.
 
posted by [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com at 01:09pm on 18/10/2006
*beery sympathy*
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 12:34pm on 17/10/2006
But I bet some clown attributes the existence of beer to inspiration by the old man with the beard, which gets us into the whole business of belittling all human achievement.

OK. Maybe I'm not quite angry about _everything_. :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] edith-the-hutt.livejournal.com at 03:12pm on 17/10/2006
"Everybody has to believe in something.....I believe I'll have another drink."

-W.C. Fields
 
posted by [identity profile] cookwitch.livejournal.com at 12:37pm on 17/10/2006
But...but...I don't WANT to be angry about everything!
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 12:51pm on 17/10/2006
It's my natural emotional state, me.
 
posted by [identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.com at 12:59pm on 17/10/2006
Brain breakage at finding [livejournal.com profile] cookwitch in [livejournal.com profile] damerell's LJ.

But thanks for the book rec - I'll check it out! Angry is good.
 
posted by [identity profile] hazyjayne.livejournal.com at 12:43pm on 17/10/2006
I think I am already angry enough about Other Things at the moment.

However, was it interesting?
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 12:54pm on 17/10/2006
You may be temporarily excused under the circumstances.

It was interesting and very amusing in the bits where I wasn't reminded that people actually believe in this stuff. Dawkins has really pulled the gloves off - indeed, part of his point is that we give an unjustified respect to religion when we would feel perfectly free to mock or pity an adult who believed in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.
 
posted by [identity profile] robhu.livejournal.com at 01:05pm on 17/10/2006
It is a truly excellent book isn't it? I am probably going to offer to buy a copy for each of my religious friends.

There were two things I wasn't aware of before I read the book... That Dawkins is good friends with the bishop of Oxford, and that he was abused in some way by a religious teacher at school.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 01:21pm on 17/10/2006
I see no indication that that teacher was religious; Dawkins is just making the point, in passing, that in fact this experience was not the Worst Thing Ever. Having had similar experiences I would concur; Minty being excessively tactile was annoying but has hardly blasted my life forever.
 
posted by [identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com at 01:52pm on 17/10/2006
Did you see his Root of All Evil – two-parter on television?
 
posted by [identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com at 06:44pm on 17/10/2006
Unfortunately, I absolutely loathe Dawkins as I think he's an arrogant, bombastic twat with a very limited understanding of inclinations he doesn't share, so it would probably make me angry too, but perhaps not in the same way. Good to hear you enjoyed it, though, so I'd certainly think about reading it - don't want to judge too harshly without prior knowledge.
 
posted by [identity profile] oneplusme.livejournal.com at 08:37pm on 17/10/2006
he's an arrogant, bombastic twat with a very limited understanding of inclinations he doesn't share

He certainly is. However, for those of us on his side of the argument it makes for a very refreshing change to have the bombastic invective flying in the other direction for once. ;)

(To put it another way: it's easier to forgive someone for being arrogant when they're right.)
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:23pm on 18/10/2006
Actually, I think in this book he's thought very hard about _why_ religious belief exists. It's a difficult question.
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posted by [personal profile] fanf at 07:20pm on 17/10/2006
It would be nice if Dawkins was less erratic in his arguments.
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:40pm on 18/10/2006
I'm less than convinced. Sure, Dawkins is absurdly optimistic in asserting atheism never provides the motive; but, if I can employ the "it's politics, not religion" defence so beloved of the theists, I don't suppose Tibet being a secular democracy would have made a blind bit of difference, for example.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 07:43pm on 17/10/2006
OOI (and please lets not have TGGD here), what do you think I might gain from reading said book? I've read several of Dawkin's previous works.
 
posted by [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com at 06:31am on 18/10/2006
I always find that reading Dawkins help to confirm my faith.
 
posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 04:37pm on 18/10/2006
Well, you might come to your senses. :-)

I'm not sure. There is much less evolutionary biology - and most of it has been in Dawkins's earlier books, often several times - and the same is true of the regular mocking of creationists.

The discussion of the possible biological or cultural imperatives for religion is quite interesting. I am normally quite unable to understand why any rational educated person should be religious [1] and Dawkins goes some way towards a possible explanation.

There's quite a bit about the political machinations of the religious right in America, too.

[1] Honestly, I'm not trying to launch TGGD here. This is the literal truth.
 
posted by [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com at 01:01pm on 18/10/2006
I had to skip the bits about how to argue with creationists, it's terribly terribly depressing.

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